WW1 shell case 77 x 385R - info wanted

[museum1418]

Who can help with details on the German gun using this calibre shell case and a drawing of the shell?
Much appreciated.


Cheers,

J. Smit
http://www.westernfront.nl

[Alpini]

a photo would be interesting, a friend of me maybe has the same cartridge case. I guess it is a german 76,2x385R case for captured russian field guns...

Alpini

[kz11gr]

Who can help with details on the German gun using this calibre shell case and a drawing of the shell?

J. Smit
http://www.westernfront.nl

Hello

I think it is a FLAK gun . (not 77mm but 76,2 mm).

76,2 mm x 385 mm .

Drawning, pictures , ammunitions .. etc .. in the two big books :
flak vol 1 and flak vol 2 of Bernard Delsert,J.J Dubois and Christian Kowal.

flak vol 1 :

http://www.store4war.com/public/detailProduit.php?produit=6484&LANG=fr

flak vol 2 :

http://www.store4war.com/public/detailProduit.php?produit=6485&LANG=fr

plus

http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article.php3?id_article=210

:P

[museum1418]

It seems that these books answer most of my questions (see also my
query with regard to 88 x 563R). Books have meanwhile been ordered.
Thanks.

Cheers,

Jan

[Alpini]

the captured russian field guns where converted to close range field guns (for infantry use) and also to anti-aircraft guns... Both are based on the same russian barrel. The russians also used the same case in their modernized guns of 2nd WW.

bye

Alpini

[museum1418]

Enclosed the promised pictures. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Jan
http://www.westernfront.nl

[Alpini]

yes definitely for these two guns... I find it really interesting, that they also copied the russian primer screw... You can see attached a picture of the same case of russian manufacture from 1936.

Alpini

[museum1418]

What would have been the German designation for this particular gun during WW1? Any clues?

Cheers,

Jan

[Alpini]

7,62 cm Infanteriegeschütz (used like 3,7 cm Infantry-Gun)

and

7,62 cm besp. Flak (Pferde bespannte FlugAbwehrKanone)

[x]

Sehr interessant !!! Jetzt wäre noch interessant ob das Kaliber der Granate dann 76.2 oder 77mm war denn A. Muther schreibt in einem seiner Bände
"Das Gerät der leichten Artillerie", Bände 1-6, Bernard und Graefe, Berlin 1925
Das bei erbeuteten russischen 7.62cm Geschützen die Läufe kalt (!!!) auf 7.7cm aufgeweitet wurden. Über das Patronenlager bzw. die Hülse hat er sich leider nicht weiter ausgelassen.
(Die Bände von Muther sind übrigens mit das beste was an technisch detailierten Veröffentlichungen zu den betreffenden deutschen WK1-Geschützen so bekannt ist, auch was Hintergrundwissen angeht).
Suche noch Band 2-6.