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PzGr40
28.04.2006, 14:22
Cutaway model of a German WW2 Brandsprenggranate, or Incendiary high explosive shell. This shell was used in the Flak 18/36 for anti aircraft use. It concisted of a thin walled two piece body, with a smaller diameter near the bottom in the lower half to withstand the pressure of being fired. The upper body part is screwed into the lower body part and holds an explosive charge in a thin walled steel gaine, screwed into the top of the upper part.

When compared to the other type of 8,8cm BrSpgr http://blazeold.ath.cx/viewtopic.php?t=1103&sid=8afebef2ffe28f416f01ed1ba6a04ae9 I desribed, the following differences can be observed:

The lower part holds five stacked steel prefragmentated rings, each ring existing of ten pcs hot rolled bar formed into an approximately 36 degrees triangular incendiary element. Each seperate element has a hole drilled filled with pressed thermite (incendiary powder, existing of 45% aluminium powder, 45% iron powder and appr. 10% of barium nitrate, which burns at appr 2000 degr. celcius). The prefragmentated element rings are locked up between the upper and lower projectile body by means of filler rings. In the middle of the rings is an hole of appr. ø40 mm diameter, containing a paper or thin cartboard wrapped stick of TNT. In the lower part of the body, the stick of explosives is held in a fixed position by a tarfilling surrounding the stick.

The coulor of the shell is: top half yellow (explosive), lower part Blue (Incendiary). Functioning of the shell: The shell has to explode between enemy planes to have effect. The time fuze is therefore set to the same height as planes pass by. The fuze passes it flame into the gaine that explodes the content in the gaine, which ignites the TNT stick. The shell is now ripped open, the thermite in the incendiary elements is ignited and the pieces are shot away in a 360 degr. radius.

The fuze used on this shell is a ZZ S/30 of a modified design. It has a longer nose.

Regards DJH

PzGr40
28.04.2006, 14:25
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x
28.04.2006, 18:04
Excellent what you managed and show to us here.

Is there any German documentation on the fuze with extended windshield available? I mean its particular use with this incendiary shrapnel?

PzGr40
28.04.2006, 18:16
Hi X, no there are no papers at all about the projectile nor fuze. However , when I bought it , it had this type of fuze placed, and looking at the rustpatterns than , I supposed it had been on all time. Later I saw such a fuze on the internet in a much better condition , so I bought it to make this cutaway.
I must be honest , up to two months ago I had never seen this type of Zt.Z.S30 with extended windshield, nor did I know it even existed.
regards, DJH

zünder
28.04.2006, 18:44
Looks great !
Excellent work, as always -1q

rigby
28.04.2006, 19:12
Ich hasse es zwar mich zu wiederholen, aber wiedermal ERSTKLASSIGE Arbeit. -1q

x
28.04.2006, 19:22
The fuzes I know since about summer / fall 2004 and they were without shells, so I was surprised to see it on this particular one. I thought you may have reference on this fuze.

PzGr40
28.04.2006, 19:42
The fuzes I know since about summer / fall 2004 and they were without shells, so I was surprised to see it on this particular one. I thought you may have reference on this fuze.

Hi X, to my regret not. What surprises me is that in all these descriptions of German ammo no mention is made about either projectile nor fuze. However looking at the box with Zdldg fur BrSpr I borrowed from Harry's zunder ecke I would think this shell must have been quite common. Or does Harry have a very rare box?

So, to be honest I have no drawn or written proof of this specific fuze used on this shell.

Regards DJH

salamon
29.04.2006, 20:39
Die Schachtel für die Zündladungen ist offensichtlich nicht authentisch. Oder wie sollen da 300 Stück reinpassen. Es kann natürlich auch sein, dass der Aufkleber gefaket ist.

PzGr40
29.04.2006, 21:01
Doch, es sagt 300 stuck in 30 pappkastchen zu je 10 stuck.
Das hier it ein pappkastche fur 10 stuck
Gruss DJH :D

x
29.04.2006, 21:12
The fuzes I know since about summer / fall 2004 and they were without shells, so I was surprised to see it on this particular one. I thought you may have reference on this fuze.

Hi X, to my regret not. What surprises me is that in all these descriptions of German ammo no mention is made about either projectile nor fuze. However looking at the box with Zdldg fur BrSpr I borrowed from Harry's zunder ecke I would think this shell must have been quite common. Or does Harry have a very rare box?

So, to be honest I have no drawn or written proof of this specific fuze used on this shell.

Regards DJH

Certainly we all regret the absence of documents but obviously some of these labels must have shown up somewhere because it isn't the first time I see them (think on sale at an ECRA show) and I also have one somewhere which came without box.
The production may have been very little but at least the labels must have survived and float around.

PzGr40
30.04.2006, 18:45
As I am convinced by now, most of collecting Europe now knows about- and hopefully reads- this forum, I may hope at least someone might have a label. So please if you have , send a scan.

Regards DJH

zünder
06.05.2006, 21:02
@DJ: are you sure the paint is correct ?
I am cleaning my shell at the moment, and it has traces of yellow paint on the drivingbands and above them.

x
07.05.2006, 02:00
As I am convinced by now, most of collecting Europe now knows about- and hopefully reads- this forum, I may hope at least someone might have a label. So please if you have , send a scan.

Regards DJH

You mean the label of the box or something else?

PzGr40
07.05.2006, 03:43
@ zunder. I do not know for shure as no drawings or descriptions are available. But you might be right.
As I made the first one for Greif, he gave me instructions about how to paint it. I made the second one (mine) in the same colours although the coloursceme is not based upon hard evidence.
Maybe Greif can shed some light over this subject?

@ X; yes, they should be marked with a different text on the boxlabel because they are different form the normal type. However, to be honest I do not know or have a picture from the normal type.
Another point: I suppose they will not fit the normal baketite bushing used for the Zt.Z.S30.