75mm case

[racefiets]

Hello, i need some help identifiing this case. The case is the same in length as the US 75mm M18.
It hase a faint stamp on the side of the case.

7,5cm F. K231(f)
??= frz 97
7,5cm Pak97/3?
7,5cm Pak97/??
349g
BC
CL 1940/?82
?g 59.42 C

Is this a french case used bij the germans? (frz)

[kz11gr]

hello

Yes , for the old French 75mm mod 1897 modified by the German Army.
Case mounted with the 7,5 cm Hohlladung Granate HL/B here i think.

see the gun on :
http://canonde75.free.fr/canon_allemand.htm

[zünder]

Hmmm, hast du die von Patrick Drescher gekauft ?

[megatron]

Yes, the Germans used French cases and loaded their own projectiles. Your case was loaded somewhen with a Gr. 38 HL/B what means that it was a HEAT (shaped charge).

Can you post a photo of the markings on the case wall?

[racefiets]

Originally posted by zünder


Hmmm, hast du die von Patrick Drescher gekauft ?

No, I bought the case in the south/west part of the netherlands a few years ago.

And a picture of the side.

[megatron]

Thanks for the image, but can you try to give us a 90 degree shot of the markings - it is allmost nothing visible. Try at daylight this may prevent reflexions from the flashlight.

[racefiets]

Thats exactly the problem. The stamping is so faint that you have to look at an angle to see anything.
I will try tomorrow to make a better picture where everything is better visible.

[megatron]

Great, we all look forward to the photo.

[racefiets]

I have tried to make a better picture.

The stamp on the side is:
7,5cm F. K231(f)
= frz 97
7,5cm Pak97/38
7,5cm Pak97/40
849g
BC
CL 1940/582
?g 5.9.42 C

thanx everybody for the help.

[zünder]

"7,5 cm Feldkanone 231 (franzözisch)"
"= frz 97" i presume the french model 1897 gun is meant ?
"7,5 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 97, Lafette der Pak 38"
"7,5 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 97, Lafette der Pak 40"
"849 gramm" amount of powder used.
"BC" type of powder used.
"CL 1940/582"Factorycode, date of production, Lot nr. of powder that was used.
"?g 5.9.42 C" Place, date (5 september 1942) of assembly of the cartridge and identification mark of of the person responsable for the assembly.


Stamps on the bottom of the case:

"Granate 38 Hohlladung typ B (franzözisch)"
I think the diffenrence between a normal Hl/B and a HL/B (f), is that the (f) shell has a tracer in the bottom, that's all.
Is somebody able to confirm this ?

"III" Weightclass, this should also be present on the shell as well.

[megatron]

As far as i know all German HL Shells (HEAT or shaped charge) had tracers - or I should say I have never seen one without and I have seen hundreds in different calibers including experimental. Even the 15cm shells had tracers.
I guess to adapt the shell from the German to the French pattern the rotating band had to be changed to the French measurements. Other changes seem not to be neccessary.

[zünder]

I have a 7,5 cm Gr. 38 Hl/C without tracer.
So they were used.

[megatron]

This is extremely unusual then, congartulations!

[zünder]

+3q

I'll make picture's tomorrow.

[kz11gr]

Hallo

Ich habe eine 7.5 cm Hl Granate Kupferführungsring.

Führungsring ganz genau wie für die normale Frz Granate (Es ist der Körper einer Frz schrapnellgranate) .

[megatron]

Haben die da etwa franzoesische Schrapnellgranaten als HL laboriert?

[zünder]

Here are the shell's, the one the left with tracer, on the right without.
http://213.47.39.249/images/wk2ammoFTP/7,5%20HL.JPG


http://213.47.39.249/images/wk2ammoFTP/7,5%20HLB.JPG

[megatron]

Really nice!

[racefiets]

Now i know what to look for.
Thanks everybody!