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PzGr40
13.01.2008, 17:53
Cutaway model of an unknown WW2 German 8,8cm nebel- or kampfstoff (smoke / chemical) shell.

Only a few of these experimental projectiles have been found. There are three theories of what the purpose of this projectile may have been:

1: A smoke shell, it resembles the build up of German WW2 smoke shells, the filling consisting of oleum (80%) impregnated in pumice (20%) (SO3 auf Bimskies);
see: http://blazeold.ath.cx/viewtopic.php?t=2165&highlight=

2: A poison gas shell; often the design of smoke shells and gas shells (with both Allied and Axis) is nearly exactly the same. As this projectile is completely welded it is completely gas tight.

3: A smoke shell used to train flak crews. The projectile would gave a clear visable puff of smoke high up in the sky that could be used by flak crews as a target to shoot at. This training system would have been copied from the Brittish. (Who has info on this?)

Description of the projectile body:
The body is made of a modified high explosive shell of the 8,8cm SprGr. PrZugz type of which the upper 25 mm has been machined off to receive the so called “kammerhulse”or burster charge. In this case, the burster charge also houses the thread to receive the fuze. The burster charge is connected to the projectile by means of a roundgoing weld. In the base of the exploder cavity, a recess is machined which acts as a centering device for the burster charge during welding.
A plugged off hole in the side of the projectile is used for filling of the liquid content.

It was not possible to place a replica booster charge in the cutaway model as no info about the booster (if ever one was available in the stage of the experiment) does exist. The booster charge would have to be 28 mm in dia. and 85 mm long; it does not fit any known German standard booster, nor in dia. or length (See Ringbuch zundladungen).
Most often the lower charge existed of a stick or tablets of pressed FP02 or penthrite, packed in a paper wrapper. This however is an educated guess.

As there is no further info about this projectile any info is welcome.

Regards , DJH

zünder
13.01.2008, 18:55
I have one of these (inert of course..), and i found small particles that looked like bimskies inside, so first reaction from me: smoke.

But like you said, the shell is completely welded gastight and apparently were found near a BASF factory, which could suggest something else.

My shell started life as a normal Spgr L/4,5 KZ, but was converted in 1942 by the Bochumer Verein für Gusstahlfabrikation A.G..
The markings on the shell shows that 48 were made (mine is nr 29 out 48 ).

I've contacted Krupp about this, since Bochumer Verein für Gußstahlfabrikation was bought by Krupp after the war, but the Krupp archive states that information like this was either destroyed or seized after the war.

PzGr40
13.01.2008, 18:58
Same for mine! little pieces of stone (bimskies).
Ps. I forgot to post the detail picture . It has now been added.
Regards DJH

Munibob
16.01.2008, 02:14
:-P :roll: :!:

Superb (as usual)
Thanks, D.J., a very good work!

As I said, when we talked about: I have no idea about a 8.8 smoke or chem shell.

Bob

PzGr40
16.01.2008, 14:10
My idea is going more and more in the direction of a smoke shell. There are smoke shells in 7,5cm and 10cm. I think one must have observed the lack of this type of projectile with the much used multi purpose 8,8cm gun in the field, and therefore started on the development of a smoke shell.
An 8,8cm gun does not seem a good platform to me for shooting gas projectiles, this can be done more effectively by mortars, howitzers and nebelwerfers, as there the ratio of cargo compared to the complete projectile is much better than with a high velocity projectile.
Regards DJH