Identifikation 2cm Flak PzGr

[x]

Anbei mal ein Foto das ich als Anfrage bekam.

Das Geschoss ist soweit erkennbar ein Flakgeschoss und der Form nach wohl die der Panzergranate mit Leuchtspurzerleger mit gepresster Leuchtspur (also ohne Gewinde).
Beim Delaborieren ist offensichtlich das Geschossheck abgedreht worden.

Die Farbkennzeichnung hier ist eher unüblich aber soweit zu erkennen original.
Es soll sich um ein PH-Brandgeschoss handeln.

Wer weiß was oder hat Unterlagen dazu?

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj263/EOD72/Gesch-.jpg

[torque]

Die Form und Farbgebung sieht sehr nach den italien. 2cm Pzgr aus. Nur sah ich diese noch nicht als FES. Was für Geschossstempel sind eingeschlagen?

[x]

Die Kennzeichung ist deutsch von 1944, weiß aber den Hersteller gerade nicht.

Italienische kommen da weniger in Frage denke ich.

[torque]

Darum ja die Frage, weil man keine Stempel erkennen kann.

[Grenadier]

Noch 3 Fotos hier. Meinungen um die PzGr.?

[x]

Dimitar what is the head stamp of that round? To me it looks like an export round for Argentina.

[Grenadier]

Hier ist es:

[x]

Hmm, you puzzled me now. The head stamp is not what I would expect on the Argentine contract but this one still seems to be an export model. But again, I still can not exclude the Argentine contract.

Do you have a shot of the projectile's base for us?

[Grenadier]

And the base here:

[aorta10]

And the base here:
Hi it has all, I am new of this site...
20x138 seems me of German production, contract for Hungary. The "S" in the triangle he/she wants to say Solothurn.
I have found a peer of excavation of it in here in Italy, in a posting from Solothurn.
I suppose that it originated from the Hungarian front considering that many German soldiers came in Italy from Hungary

[fert]

ciao
so the ammo posted by grenadier are german made for hungarian.....?
the shell are not those usually used in 2cm flak. did the export model have this particular shape?

the mistery remains in the item posted by x.
x, could you post the base and the lenght of the shell please?
it has no cannelure for crimping, very strange.
greetings

[x]

Fert, I have no other images unfortunately and the length is as said not original anymore since some clueless people have turned the base on a lathe in order to open it.

[x]

Hi it has all, I am new of this site...
20x138 seems me of German production, contract for Hungary. The "S" in the triangle he/she wants to say Solothurn.
I have found a peer of excavation of it in here in Italy, in a posting from Solothurn.
I suppose that it originated from the Hungarian front considering that many German soldiers came in Italy from Hungary

The "S in triangle" has been found on several cartridges so far where it was hard to make a connection to one particular country.
Means the symbol has been found on German marked cartridges as well as on those exported to Argentina (and one would think other countries as well). Not to forget the symbol has shown up also on 20mm shells and fuzes for these.
German manufacture for Hungary as far as I was able to observe had the Hungarian crown in the head stamp and it was on 20x105B cartridges. 20x138B is so far not know to be made by or for Hungary.

Still more questions than answers.