Pistolen Patrone 43 .m.E.

[HUGO]

Hi, aus meiner Sammlung:


gefertigt bei hla, Metallwarenfabrik Treuenbritzen GmbH, Werk Sebalushof ( 1943-45)

[HUGO]

und der Bodenstempel dazu...

[racefiets]

And the box
hla 1944 los 19

[MK108]

;)
One of one old box of 7.92 Kurtz,
Best regards dan

[hammer]

;)

[hammer]

.....

[MK108]

;)
just one tip about ammunitions ...
7.92 Kurtz is not my spéciality ...
It's really easy to make "wildcats " with reloading tools from one original brass case, it's more difficult with steel case :)
Some years ago for turn french law who considerate MP 44 and his ammunition as one War weappons and forbid it, customers are rebored important numbers of MP 44 in caliber 8 mm (Ader or Adler, i don' remenber) and all people (fortunate, price 9000/10000 French's francs)can buy one for use in semi-automatic for "hunting" (without "hunt" license)
Now it's finnish, but all sort ot cartridgres "homebuild"was in circulation ...
Best regards Dan

[racefiets]

It does look like a home build.

[mauser]

A look inside.

[rigby]

@ Hammer

frühestes bekanntes Los ist von Polte Magdeburg 2 41, mit dem Bodenstempel "aux 7,9 2 41".

[Fenrir]

ARGH... eine sünde eine 8x33 leutspur zu zersägen!!

jemand ne ahnung wo man solche 8x33 schachteln bekommt?

[x]

Wenn mann eine normale SMK aufsaegt kann man leicht eine L'Spur im Schnitt daraus machen.
Ist eher unwahrscheinlich das die gezeigte original ist.

[Fenrir]

stimmt darüber habe ich auch schon nachgedacht. denn die sind glaube ich nicht produziert worden.

[mauser]

Chronological sequence of significant events
7,9 mm Kurz cartridge development

8 Sept 1939 Polte instructed to “also develop a 7.9mm SmE 7 gram bullet”
1 Nov 1940 First mention of cartridge Gase Pf 7499, previously believed of brass,
now to be of copper-washed steel.
6 Nov 1940 HWA confirm 1.24 gram charge for 7 gram bullet in cartridge Pf 7499.
31 Dec 1940 New type of case to replace transitional Pf 7499 discussed with HWA,
leading to first order of final type of case to Pf 4996d, to be of
bright lacquered steel. 100,000 rounds (later reduced to 10,000)
initial order placed.
5 May 1941 Polte to receive 100 samples of 7.9mm coiled core bullets from RWS.
12 Jun 1941 Survey of bullet types intended to reduce critical raw materials.
7 Jul 1941 20,000 bullets ordered to design Pf 6683b (8 gram).
23 Jul 1941 5000 bullets ordered to design Pf 8270 (7.5 gram).
27 Aug 1941 45,000 cartridges ordered to Pf 8391 (similar to 7.9P-37, which see).
14 Nov 1941 Six different types of Kurz tracer supplied by Polte to Kummersdorf.
15 Dec 1941 10,000 ball cartridges sent urgently each to Haenel and Walther.
15 Jan 1942 HWA give Polte 300,000 round development order, prior to mass
production.
15 Jan 1942 Polte inform HWA that their 7.9mm Kurz capacity is 5-6 million/month.
27 Jan 1942 150 more rounds of tracer "Type 5", first tried Nov 1942, ordered.
30 Jan 1942 Heavy Werkzeug rounds sent, 500 to HWA, 300 to Haenel, 200 to Walther.
12 Feb 1942 Polte receive order for 10 million ball cartridges.
17 Feb 1942 Haenel suggest that extractor groove angle be increased from 45° to
60°. 2000 cartridges with 60° groove angle ordered by HWA.
24 Feb 1942 HWA agree 7.9mm Kurz bullet to have a longer rear cone, to fit into
case better.
24 Feb 1942 Polte report that sintered ball bullets jam when feeding into M.Kb.
2 Mar 1942 Polte report shows 150 Kurz tracers sent to HWA on 6 Feb. 20% fall.
2 Mar 1942 HWA give Polte final go-ahead for mass production of 7.9mm Kurz ball.
3 Mar 1942 200 rounds of Ex-Patr. (red plastic) ordered by HWA (7.9P-6 and 7.9P-7)
7 Mar 1942 1000 rounds Kurz Platzpatronen ordered by HWA, wood-bulleted.
7 Mar 1942 150 more rounds of Kurz tracer ordered by HWA.
10 Mar 1942 Knallkartusche to be developed.
18 Mar 1942 10 Lehrpatronen to Pf 5085g requested by HWA.
24 Mar 1942 Kartusche for grenade discharging to be developed to 7.9P-16.
27 Mar 1942 First ammunition test in M.Kb of all-stamped manufacture. DWM present.
2 Apr 1942 WASAG asked urgently to supply powder, since Polte production held up.
7 Apr 1942 First order for 100,000 rounds ball to be loaded into chargers.
17 Apr 1942 No more Kartuschen to 7.9P-16 to be made.
30 Apr 1942 Five types of tracer tested, Drg. Pf 13026. 1000 rounds now ordered.
21 Mai 1942 HWA confirm that in future extractor groove angle will be 60°,
28 Mai 1942 100 rounds tracer to Pi 13026 fired OK, remaining 900 to be completed.
1 Jun 1942 5000 rounds Platzpatronen ordered, plain wood bullet, to 7.9P-l0a,
1 Jun 1942 2000 holed gas pressure test cartridges ordered by HWA.
2 Jun 1942 Metallwarenfabrik Kopp sent case drawings 7.9H-12a.
16 Jun 1942 300 Kartuschen ordered by HWA to design 7.9P-23a.
3 Jul 1942 Extensive troop trials at Döberitz. Instances of separated cases.
20 Jul 1942 70 sampies of Winkhaus geschlagener core sent to Polte (7.9G-32),
15 Sep 1942 Bergmann-type grenade cartridge with wood plug to be developed in
Kurz.
27 Jan 1943 New bullet drawing 7.9G-90 "Geschoss 42" with reduced lead content.
30 Jan 1943 Winkhaus sent new Geschoss 42 drawing and asked to send samples to
Polte (drawing 7.9G-91).

Technical ammunition guide from;
Maj. P. Labbet+ & F.A. Brown

I hope it is not to much to read.

Mauser

[GGG]

Here some boxes of my collection :) .
The right box is from East Germany.


Best wishes
Michael

[mauser]

Hi

Her a box of 14 rounds.

Mauser

[GGG]

Hi mauser,
nice box. Are these 14-rounds-boxes rarer than the other boxes?
I'm still looking for one.

Best wishes
Michael

[mauser]

Hi Michael

I do not know.
Did not see them for a long time

Rgds

Mauser

[GGG]

Hier ein paar Schachteln (natürlich alle gefüllt) aus meiner Sammlung:

Grüße
Michael

[GGG]

So, jetzt habe ich noch eine 14er-Schachtel mit seitlichem Aufkleber bekommen (die untere auf dem Foto).

Wenn ich das richtig sehe, habe ich jetzt alle Formen, die es an Verpackungen der 8x33-Patronen gab.

Gruß
Michael

[xbert]

Das habe ich jetzt von einem Bekannten bekommen ca 400stk:
Die Patrone die auf der Schachtel liegt hat eine schwarze Spitze
+grüner Ringfuge

[rigby]

Bodenstempel ?

[xbert]

Mal näher: Was ist die so Wert, kann mir das wer sagen?

[xbert]

Pfoa, schnelle reply rigby, Bodenstempel muss ich erst nachschauen
wenn ich zu Hause bin

[rigby]

Mich macht die grüne Ringfuge ein bisschen stutzig. Ich kenn 8x33 bis jetzt nur mit blauer oder farbloser Ringfuge.

[mauser]

Hi,

It is very easy to find out the kind of cartridge you have.
A normal “Kurzpatrone” weight between 250 and 260 grains.
A tracer is not so heavy.

Mauser

[xbert]

Ok ich hab mich verschaut, also die Ringfuge ist blau

Stempelung am Boden:

44 aux st 49