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racefiets
20.02.2003, 18:51
Does anybody have any information about this case. Any info about the rounds, the weapon and the country is welcome.

thanks

Rudolf
20.02.2003, 18:57
Yo Racefiets

It looks like a 15x104 Besa case

Rudolf
20.02.2003, 19:07
Originally posted by Rudolf


Yo Racefiets

It looks like a 15x104 Besa case. It's 1939 Czech manufacture for their vz/60 MG. After the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the Germans will used this weapon too (Beutewaffen). The English used this cartridge also.

Rudolf
20.02.2003, 19:27
I've found some more info

The cartridge, developed by Czechoslovakia, was not only used in their ZB60 (M1938) heavy MG but also in a single-shot ATK rifle. The British used it in the Besa MK1 MG, a copy of the Czechoslovak design. The AP bullet weight about 74 grams and could penetrate 20mm of steel armor at 250m. HE-T were also made.
During WW2, Germany made cartridges with a shorter case neck, and a case length of 101mm.

I hope you can do something with this

Greetz Rudolf

Tony Williams
27.02.2003, 06:01
I believe that the 15mm ATK design had a bullpup layout, and was converted by Germany to 7.92x94 to make the MSS.41, but I'd appreciate any confirmation of that.

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